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Home 2013 July Why Sailfish is better as a modern OS? Here is a comparison

Why Sailfish is better as a modern OS? Here is a comparison

Ahoy sailors!

Ever since Sailfish is known to us as an operating system not an actual “fish”, there were a lot of demos on YouTube; many people were literally amazed by the work of Finnish, some went: “This’ll be a failure like MeeGo-Harmattan” Which in fact wasn’t a failure and you’ll only know when you own a Nokia N9/50!

On one hand the truth is, that “if” MeeGo-Harmattan had a fair bit of support, none of this would have happened to it and we didn’t know what’s Jolla and Sailfish at the moment, on the other hand; if Nokia had supported Harmattan and we were satisfied enough, we probably were spending our time playing with Windows Phone UI as we were convinced that MeeGo is dead, and were using an old school back button! So thankfully, Nokia sort of gave away an unwanted opportunity for the creation of Sailfish!

So anyhow, Sailfish was born quite a while ago and we say it’s the most unique and practical yet beautiful operating system ever made for a smartphone. Yes it’s quite an ambition to say that in front of iOS, Android and quite amazingly WindowsPhone fans, I say quite amazingly because I recently found some real so called “fan-boys” around WP! But to be honest, I like ambition, because I always have reasons for my ambitiousness.

While we’re still on topic, I want to say that gesture based operating systems are catching up lately and even the old ones are bringing gesture based updates such as iOS, even Android applications like the new Viber, or Hangouts or even Facebook (Beta) are involved in the gesture war and quite frankly, it started with WebOS from Palm but defined cleanly by Harmattan on the Nokia N9.

So, back to the ambition, today we’re going to compare Sailfish to as many operating systems as we can starting with the main rivals which has roughly the same age as Sailfish.

Sailfish OS vs. Ubuntu touch

 

Ubuntu touch vs Jolla (Done by Ali Fakhruddin)

Ubuntu touch vs Sailfish (Done by Ali Fakhruddin)

 

 Sailfish over Ubuntu:

  • More user friendly UI
  • More lightweight than Ubuntu on slower devices
  • Much more applications available before launch
  • More simple to use
  • True multitasking

Ubuntu over Sailfish

  • Some individuals like the complex of the UI
  • In some design queues it’s more modern looking than others
  • In many ways, it’s more organized
  • It’s more known to Linux enthusiasts due to its name

 

Ubuntu Touch is a newly born mobile OS from Ubuntu which is entirely based on pure Linux and has a very eve-catching and beautiful user experience and interface but, there’s a but! Whilst Ubuntu is very beautiful and gorgeous, it reminds me of Android in terms of heaviness.
Forgive me to say this, but nowadays it’s a bad habit for manufacturers and also the people using smartphones to be obsessed with the number of cores, the power of their processors and things like this when their software (Android in particular) has lack of lightness, as people with sense of humor call it “Lagdroid” on these days! So from the demos that I saw, Ubuntu was running on a fairly powerful Galaxy Nexus with a 1.2 GHz Dual-core processor and a PowerVR-540 graphical processor which is powerful enough to run Android quite smoothly, and Ubuntu was a bit laggy during some gestures.
Well everyone might say Ubuntu is still in early stage but I have to say although everyone is right, we must remember that Sailfish was some day in its early stage as well and it was always running on a 3 year old N950 before the Jolla phone was shown to the public and it was fairly smooth in terms of UI.

I don’t want to sound boring because this is a relatively long article but there are more to it. While the colors and shape of icons and the overall design of Ubuntu touch is very dramatic and great, there are things like practicality and comfort which have been sacrificed during the design. If you hold a big phone like Galaxy nexus or an even bigger Galaxy S4 in your hands, you wouldn’t not want to move the phone in your hand in order to reach the thing you desire to touch while you’re walking or even sitting around working with your phone! This impracticalness is all over Ubuntu’s home screen. Like Android, you have to reach the top if you want the notification center to pop down or maybe fiddle with some settings. Another gesture issue is that swiping from the left does NOT do the same thing as swiping from the right. While having more abilities with gestures is very good, it has its own drawbacks and down sides which as I said before, they sacrifice the practicality of the phone, if you are a left hander, swiping from the left is obviously easier for you and doing that in Ubuntu is getting into the application drawer or home. But if you are a right hander and you are used to work with your phone with your right hand, you have to reach the left side of the phone with your right hand which is honestly not so comfortable or easy on big-screened phones, in order to get the app drawer in sight.

This video is a great example of some slight lags and using all the edges for different matters which makes the OS less practical for people with smaller hands, or people who don’t want to use their phone with two hands all the time. (Source: Engadget.com)

 

On Sailfish thou, the story is rather different. The user is able to hold his finger in just the middle of the screen as the OS is so much focused on the comfort of the usage and the UX. As you can see in the demo below the presenter’s thumb is hardly moving to any place on the screen other than using those simple left to right or up to down gestures and the haptic feedback with sound, leaves the user so confident that there’s no need to look at the screen.

 


Application-wise I have to say it’s a win for Sailfish again, since Ubuntu is a new platform (As is Sailfish) there are not much apps written for it except HTML5 apps while Sailfish has over 787185 apps only from Android (I know many of them are fart simulators or useless apps since the percentage of low quality apps are a whopping 22%, but since numbers matter in this section…) and as we have seen, the interest around the Sailfish SDK is quite high since there was an application ported to Sailfish only 20 minutes after the beta SDK was released.

 

Tablet-wise, Ubuntu wins, but only in terms of beauty! Because it looks magnificent on tabs while Sailfish, due to its unique design is better for smaller devices such as phones. Yet I have to say it’s easier to work on a tablet with Sailfish since you don’t need to move your hand a lot in that big screen.

 

Wrap up the first battle:

I am not actually going to wrap this up and conclude it for our viewers because there might be some points that I have forgot to mention, so I’ll leave the Ubuntu Touch vs. Sailfish OS conclusion to you readers, please leave your opinion in the comment section.

 

The Second battle goes to Firefox OS vs. Sailfish OS

Firefox vs Jolla (By Ali Fakhruddin)

Firefox vs Sailfish (By Ali Fakhruddin)

To my eyes, Firefox is still not good enough. Yes it does support HTML 5 apps but so does Sailfish and Ubuntu and Tizen and many other mobile operating systems! The UI, is honestly pretty basic and it’s sort of an old fashioned UI which is frankly more than 6 years old since the iPhone was introduced! Isn’t it? It doesn’t support any gestures and it does look like a downgraded budget iOS to replace Symbian in Asia!

To be very frank, I digged a lot about the Firefox OS and honestly I couldn’t find anything interesting about it because if I want an OS for budget devices, there are already many OSes available like Bada from Samsung or the S40 OS from Nokia.

So is there any logical reason here to compare FFOS to Sailfish really?

Okay here is a video of the developer version of Firefox OS for your own decision.

 

 

The third battle goes to Tizen vs. Sailfish

Tizen and sailfish are basically relatives from the beginning but they seem like very different and they have gone different ways.

Tizen vs Jolla

Tizen vs. Sailfish (By Ali Fakhruddin)

Sailfish over Tizen:

  • More modern, gesture based UI
  • Much, much smoother with a normal hardware
  • Has more apps due to the Android compatibility layer
  • I personally still think it’s more open than Tizen
  • No buttons needed to run the OS
  • It doesn’t lag like Tizen does! (It is really laggy at least now at this stage of development!)

 

Tizen over Sailfish:

  • Two very big companies (Samsung and Intel) are behind it
  • It has more history which says it’s basically older and more time is spent on its development

It’s been a long time that Samsung has taken over the MeeGo project since Nokia has dropped it, and since then, it’s being developed by Samsung but what we have seen from it, other that technical and professional stuff is some videos from a developer device from Samsung which looks relatively like a boxy Galaxy S3. The UI apparently is something similar to the TouchWiz that Samsung installs on their Android devices (Which I don’t think they yet realized it lags A LOT!) and the icons are Firefox OS lookalike. There’s a status bar like Android that you drag from the top of the screen as well. It is still a mystery! Are they going to use their TouchWiz in Tizen as well when they finish it? At least that’s what it shows everywhere.

Till now, I don’t think Tizen has anything to win the battle at least at this very moment. Because despite the youngness of Sailfish, it looks more mature and indeed more innovative than Tizen in terms of Application compatibilities and user interface point of view. What’s underneath these OSes are also make them apart because yet again, Sailfish is more lightweight and less laggy on different hardware.

Although in this video, CNET mentions that this is an early stage demo and many things might change about the home screen later on.

 


The fourth battle: Sailfish vs. BB10

BB10 and Sailfish are also relatives and very similar indeed. Both are Qt supportive, both are multitasking brothers, and both support some heavy gesture inputs.

BB10 OS vs. Sailfish (By Ali Fakhruddin)

BB10 OS vs. Sailfish (By Ali Fakhruddin)

Sailfish over BB10:

  • More simple gestures
  • Less confusing
  • More organized
  • More user customizable
  • Slightly more innovative design
  • Interactive multitasking
  • More open than BB10
  • BB10 apps can be easily ported to Sailfish

 

BB10 over Sailfish:

  • More focused on messaging
  • Being a bit older and having more native apps in comparison
  • The best keyboard ever! (Not sure about Sailfish keyboard yet since we haven’t seen anything)

It is very confusing comparing these two really, there are many similarities. Both have card based multitasking and the gestures are very similar. While there are many similarities, there’s another side which reveals the differences to our eyes.

Gestures are different in BB10, they are confusing at first until the user gets used to them after using the phone for a while. The multitasking is wide and real but there’s no interaction with the app when it’s minimized, and that is getting quite old now.

The app drawer looks iPhoney to me but the animations and transitions are pretty.

But still the big problem with the gestures on BB10 is that they change their behavior in different situations, sometimes they are used for peaking, sometimes minimizing sometimes going back, and for a user that wants speed, it can get confusing at a time since there’s also no haptic feedbacks or sounds as well.

So while the BB10 is very modern looking and fun to use, it’s not very practical in everyday use. I was before! But now that Sailfish has redefined the everyday practicality for mobile operating systems, not anymore…

To conclude this competition between two very similar OS, I have to say that BB10 is a brilliant OS with a modern looking UI and a great user experience, but Sailfish wins again because it does everything that BB10 does, but it does them better! Different opinion? Please leave it in the comment section, so we can discuss.

 

The fifth battle: back to the classic era!

Sailfish vs. Android

Speaking of Android, there’s Google, one of the richest and most capable IT companies in the world behind it and well, that’s not exactly a weak point, is it?

Android vs Sailfish (By Ali Fakhruddin)

Android vs Sailfish (By Ali Fakhruddin)

Let’s see…

 

Sailfish over Android:

  • Modern UI [with no lag!]
  • True multitasking with no pause on the whilst minimized
  • More user friendly and ease of usage
  • Having many of the Android apps available for it + Sailfish apps
  • More open and truly Linux [not only Linux based]
  • Usage of simple gestures everywhere
  • No buttons needed to run the OS
  • A LOT more lightweight

 

Android over Sailfish:

  • Many native apps already available for it
  • More customizable via custom ROMs [At the moment]
  • Wise choice of hardware for it from different companies
  • More known to the public

 

In terms of the OS itself, since Sailfish is a new born OS and it’s here to compete; it has a package of awesomeness to compete! Android on the other hand is competing well and Google updates it once in a while with some cool features but the problem is that even they have tried a lot to change the behavior and the look of it in their various updates, it is still the same if you don’t consider the minor changes, so that is the actual reason of Sailfish being present at the moment.

You see, Android’s base is a bit problematic and old fashioned and very difficult to change because it’s like changing the base of a building when you still want to keep the whole building intact.

It’s complicated to convince android lovers about the fact that Android is quite old and mobile industry needs a big change [and no lag!].

Android is the first generation touch OS style and it’s mostly based on tapping on visible contents but Sailfish is all about gestures and making the life easier by not moving your hand all over the screen. [This part was taken from Vesa-Matti Hartikainen speech in Akademy 2013, with some slight changes]

There’s not much to say but if Android wants to win this competition, it needs a bigger change than the changes they are making to it now.

So Sailfish is holding up quite well in terms of durability and performance in compare to Android.

To conclude this one, I need to say that while Android is a very good OS with many unique facilities, in compare to Sailfish is not a very sophisticated OS to be honest because if you are an Android user, you’ll find the OS a little bit outdated after a while of using it, and I say that because I actually have an Android device as well. The RAM gets full easily and everything goes very slowly especially if you have your 3G or LTE connected continuously and that is not exactly an up-to-date experience. So in my personal point of view, Sailfish wins this one by a mile juts because it’s light and agile.

As Antti Saarino, The chairman of Jolla says: “Future is not about hardware. It’s about software.”

And that pretty much concludes my point saying Android has a weak software and manufacturers are trying to build a hardware to hide the weakness, but they have failed.

The battle with the beginner of this game

iOS vs. Sailfish

 As you know, iOS was the innovation of mobile industry with its all new user interface which we’ve never seen ever, those animations and transitions were simply amazing when it first came out. After a while, the other operating systems started to be like it, which is not a bad thing and it doesn’t mean stealing but it means competing. It has been 7 years since the first iPhone OS was introduced that after a while they decided to name it iOS since it wasn’t only for iPhones anymore and this year, Apple finally decided to change the entire appearance of the OS, at least that’s what they said at first, so came the date of the introduction to the new iOS 7 with newly designed icons, new transition effects and new graphic designs with so many new features but it bugs you down when you see the home button is still present on Apple iPhones while the gestures are already in there as well.

iOS vs. Sailfish (By Ali Fakhruddin)

iOS vs. Sailfish (By Ali Fakhruddin)

Let’s see what’s what!

 

Sailfish over iOS:

  • Fully gesture based with no home button
  • Fully open source, to allow the user do whatever they want
  • More up-to-date and modern UI
  • True multitasking with no pausing the app in the background

iOS over Sailfish:

  • More users at the moment
  • Being the starter of this game
  • Vast amount of native apps available for it
  • Great support of Apple company behind it
  • Lots of developers are interested in developing apps for iOS

Overall, iOS has lots of advantages in the mobile world and the most important one is the loyal customers, people who say Apple or nothing else. But iOS has lost its specialness and it isn’t as hot as before. Apple made an OS that was repeating its design for nearly 7 years and still looked fresh in many ways with some additions, but now it’s really time to move forward by not just making the icons look cartoony, but changing the whole story and language of the system! I know it’s very difficult to change everything and make the previous apps work flawlessly with the system but at some point there has to be a solution for this issue. Personally, I know many people who have their iPhones and when they saw Jolla, they made a pre order and they want to move forward already.

iOS made benchmarks and was always the head of changes in the past while now it became a follower. it needs some big innovations that makes even the haters go WOW!

WindowsPhone vs. Sailfish

There is only one quite modern OS left in this comparison that I almost forgot to mention! It’s the OS that made itself a reason adorable in some ways which I’m going to explain.

Let’s not make it boring to read! This OS made Nokia to dump their MeeGo and frankly kill it with a pistol! Yes, you must be guessing Windows Phone now! I admit, there are a lot of fan boys and even more haters around this OS nowadays and I give the right to all of them. Personally I both love and hate WP, you ask why?
I love WP because if there wasn’t any WP around, there was no Jolla, no Sailfish and no more ambition in innovation as we see on Sailfish at the moment.
I hate WP because it’s dull and boring and most importantly, it killed our beloved MeeGo Harmattan by its arrival. (I know! MeeGo isn’t dead blah blah blah, but you know what I mean!)

Windows Phone vs Sailfish (By Ali Fakhruddin)

Windows Phone vs Sailfish (By Ali Fakhruddin)

So let’s see what this almost forgotten OS has to compete with?

Sailfish over WP:

  • Heavily gesture based UI
  • Nor buttons for the back neither home
  • Wider support of hardware
  • Open source
  • Simpler, better and more modern UI
  • True multitasking
  • Even before the launch it has more apps than WP
  • Much more unlimited SDK for developers to play with

WP over Sailfish:

  • What?

I’m sorry but, is there any “better” thing that WP has and Sailfish doesn’t have? If you are going to say live tiles, I’ll have to stop you right there because Sailfish multitasking cards are live and being updated every time and they change their appearance time-wise. Can you fiddle with your live tiles on WP? No! They just show you stuff but on Sailfish, you can interact with your tiles (Cards) and fiddle with them however you want.

Conclusion? Win for Sailfish! (Apologies to the offended Windows Phone fan!)

 

I have to say, Sailfish made some decent battles with these bad boys and from where I’m sitting, it won all of it due to logical reasons I tried to write. I might have been a little bit harsh on some parts but it was fun!

This article was written by a person who uses Android, iOS, MeeGo, Maemo and WP most likely at all time and I really mean it. I don’t want to set myself only on one side and while writing this I thought about every item I wrote and played with the devices available to me a lot to make sure nothing is missed, but if I missed anything, please let me know in the comment section.

I hope you enjoyed reading it and you didn’t get bored because I admit it was too long! Let me know your opinions in the comment section if you’re still reading 😀 And don’t forget to share the article with your friends if you liked it.

Have a great weekend ahead. Sail on…
Special thanks to Ali Fakhruddin for the image editing.

Sepehr Noori (James)

 

Jul 19, 2013Sepehr James Noori

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Comments: 187
  1. Shubham keshri
    4 years ago

    Port it to N9.. Harmattan needs apps yo prove itself to the people who think its dead
    But really only people who owe MeeGo knows its value

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      MeeGo Harmattan is still alive thanks to the community. But when Sailfish is ported for N9, there will be no more Harmattan to play with if you are willing to install Sailfish on your device.

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      • Robert Chambers
        4 years ago

        I would love to see an update, maybe PR1.4, for MeeGo Harmattan. Because my N9 is starting to get laggy, it freezes when scrolling through the apps on the home page or when reading an email.
        But since Nokia abandoned it………. Thats not going to happen.

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        • James (Sepehr Noori)
          James (Sepehr Noori)
          4 years ago

          Sadly, Nokia will not make an update but there might be a pretty strong chance to see Sailfish on N9 later in the future.

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    • Shane
      4 years ago

      Getting soo tired of posts like this, Jolla owes N9 owners NOTHING…
      If they spent a large chunk of their resource (which are already limited) porting Sailfish to the N9, N9 owners would lift their middle finger & never buy Jolla devices, or they’d delay their purchase, & Jolla can’t afford that. N9 is nokia’s problem, not Jolla’s…
      But having said all that, read this & READ IT CAREFULLY:
      http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90761

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      • James (Sepehr Noori)
        James (Sepehr Noori)
        4 years ago

        Absolutely right.

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  2. Hamid
    4 years ago

    Hey Sepehr,

    You were trying to say its better because I feel its better without any reason!!

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      What I understand from your comment is, that you’re saying I have written the article with my personal opinions. Well yes! they are all my personal opinions and they are logical, I brought too many reasons as you can see. but thanks for the feedback anyway.

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  3. Ali Fakhruddin
    4 years ago

    Superb Article…. Awsome….

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Thanks Ali. 🙂

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  4. Arif
    4 years ago

    One of the reason to move to wp is nokias camera. I was on Symbian and meego. But i think one of the most important things now with a baby is to easily whip out the phone and take a great pic. It goes for everything else too, holidays etc. I know this is a comparison of OS but once you’ve had an n8 its really tough to go anything less. And i still have my n8 while waiting for the 1020. I’d really love it if you could add very good imaging to your phone. I dis cote for it when Jolla was asking what was important.

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Nokia has the best camera experience ever fitted on a phone and now with the Lumia 1020 they are simply dominating the section to themselves. Since the Cam is very important to you, I have to say that Jolla phone has an eight MP camera but no more details on it. So let’s wait for it and see what’s what. HTC one also has a 4MP camera which competes with 13 MPs with the super pixel technology it has, so let’s wait and see what Jolla has to offer.
      Thanks for the feedback.

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  5. Pablo Marin
    4 years ago

    WP es aburrido!

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  6. Pablo Marin
    4 years ago

    Espero sailfish en México y en mi n9!

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  7. Sahil Khar
    4 years ago

    Amazing BRO!!!

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Thank you so much

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  8. Francisco
    4 years ago

    hi James, nice article. But, yoy missed a comparison… Sailfish with…MeeGo. 😉
    because though I know it’s a continuation, but they *are* different and, since i really feel comfortable with MeeGo, (being the only problem, just ONE single Android app), why should I try to install Sailfishin my N9?
    Because, of course, I’m not going to buy another phone, this was already a bit expensive, and since I dont live in Europe nor the US, but in Argentina, where there are some problems while importing stuff, that’s not going to happen.
    Again, thanks a lot for your artcle.

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Yes it would be a great comparison but I thought it’s better not to make family fight together 😀 haha.

      I agree that MeeGo is a great OS and that’s why I’m still using it. but what I think is that since Nokia isn’t going to make any update for N9 anymore, why not installing a brand new OS on N9 which represents the mighty MeeGo with some more facilities to play with?

      You obviously can get the device in your country as well. you can but it online later on when the device was available for instance through Amazon or Ebay.

      Thanks for the feedback.

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  9. peterfrank
    4 years ago

    haha okay the part where you say that saifish has a Simpler, better and more modern UI is very funny the home screen from wp8 is very innovative! all features that nokia pumps into it is really amazing! simple like that you drive every month somewhere but its a bit complicated to drive you just have to pin it on the start screen and it is already one touch away. it is true microsoft is very slow in development but the start screen itself is really genius! BUT microsoft improvements are so small that it is always a year behind . fix for app can be over 6 months to erase it

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      While WP is also simple to use, it isn’t as simple as Sailfish because the user is still dealing with buttons and no gestures at all. although I accept the fact that Start menu of WP is quite innovative but yet I prefer the cards which are live and distract-able at the same time.
      Thank you for your feedback.

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  10. Abidin K.
    4 years ago

    Sie oç

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  11. Alejo Sotelo
    4 years ago

    Sailfish OS va a tener control por voz? o una api dedicada a eso? Creo que si lo ibtegrarian con la comubidad de desarrolladores que hay hariamos algo como, o mucho mejor, que Siri o google now.

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Would you please comment in English? Thanks.

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      • Alejo Sotelo
        4 years ago

        Sorry James,

        “Sailfish OS will have voice control? or API? I think if they integrate this with the developer community that exists maybe we could do something like or much better than Siri or Google Now.”

        best!

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        • James (Sepehr Noori)
          James (Sepehr Noori)
          4 years ago

          It’s okay.
          No details on the voice control have been released yet unfortunately. I’ll share the info as soon as they are released.thanks

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  12. diogoparkerDiogo
    4 years ago

    Sory but I hate Canonical, Ubuntu is a shit distro. Sailfish is much better!

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  13. Dyrver Eriksson
    4 years ago

    Yeah, I’ve pretty much discarded most other mobiles so far, once seeing and touching them in the store. Because they don’t feel fun at all to use or are sluggish, don’t give me freedom etc. I really hope a Sailfish device will prove itself in a hands on experience! 🙂 Thanks for the article.

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Thanks a lot for your nice feedback. You are right. Devices are not that much fun anymore and they feel old. Sailfish will definitely change the game in terms of fun in everyday usage. Especially with Jolla’s other half.

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  14. Kaacz
    4 years ago

    Everywhere is writen “fact”: Jolla have all Android apps. Not exactly. Binary Andriod apps not runing on SailfishOS. Developer with source code must “compile” app for “alien dalvik”. It is easy and quick.

    But nobody write: Tizen apps run “out of box” on SailfishOS. With TizenOS, SailfishOS win simply: runing all Tizen apps too 🙂

    SailfishOS is 3in1 🙂

    Next round: all apps for BB10 are simply portable to SailfishOS. It is easy. 🙂

    Thanks for your nice summary.. 🙂

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Yes actually I was mistaken a little bit about ALL the android apps.
      Thanks for the feedback. I’ll try and update the post.

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      • Kaacz
        4 years ago

        But .. something is new .. this situation is shifted – from all news: android app running “as is” without need recompile it. Maybe new Alien Dalvik possibility .. 🙂

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        • James (Sepehr Noori)
          James (Sepehr Noori)
          4 years ago

          Exactly!

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  15. Muhammadkhairu
    4 years ago

    Nice artikel, i hope someday
    Sailfish can install in my N9. But at the same time i love my Meego.
    🙂

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Thanks for the feedback Muhammad.
      Yes, I hope we can run it dual-boot on our N9s.

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    • Raj
      4 years ago

      I feel same 2

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  16. Simonas (sledges)
    4 years ago

    Greatful article! 🙂 My 2p on Sailfish:

    Sailfish OS is:
    Ergonomic: * one hand (thumb) navigation * average human thumb cannot reach top of a portrait device without moving her/his wrist. Sailfish OS makes navigation effortless, by eliminating the need of top-edge swipe gestures * basic features are reachable “in your pocket” (pulley-menu haptics) – without looking at the phone
    Minimalistic: * to-the-point – everyday task oriented * no-nonsense – keep swipe gestures simple * clutter-free – full-screen content, displaying only what you are interested, one at one given time

    Fast: * immediate UX responsiveness, app loading time due to native Linux OS * interactable app covers * multitasking

    For SW developers: * Qt/QML possibilities, “snappy” UX * Silica components

    For HW developers: * native Linux mobile distribution – faster than anything on the market – enables extra HW-heavy tasks possible, like continuous shutter mode, eye tracking, seamless NFC, other half, * Eye candy: ambiance, swipe gestures, fading * Contributing back to the mainstream Open Source projects and technologies

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Wow you just… Made me go wow!! That was a super cool comment!

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  17. chern
    4 years ago

    every OS has it pros and cons~
    how can u say that WP has nothing better than sailfish OS?
    consumer are yet to have a hands-on experience on any sailfish OS device to see whether what u said is true..
    i like both meego / sailfish and WP.

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Well if you think about it, the only advantage windows phone always offered to the consumers was live tiles which the others didn’t provide. but now with Sailfish, even life tiles are not specific to WP.
      Thanks for the feedback.

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      • chern
        4 years ago

        I have just watched some jolla hands-on youtube video , i find that jolla OS is a bit more difficult to use than WP OS. Anyway , i still need a hands-on experience on jolla OS before i can conclude anything. By the way , i just want to ask whether jolla handset is coming to Malaysia?

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        • Shane
          4 years ago

          “i find that jolla OS is a bit more difficult to use than WP OS…”

          I’m kinda struggling to see how you could come to such a conclusion so readily.

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          • Shane
            4 years ago

            RE Malaysian availability, probably not in the 1st yr (or maybe more), but it is likely you can by online. Regardless, support/service should still be pretty close to local availability support/service.

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          • James (Sepehr Noori)
            James (Sepehr Noori)
            4 years ago

            I don’t understand that too!

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  18. shushek
    4 years ago

    great article, thanks. I still feel that maemo on my N900, in my opinion is the greatest most smart mobile OS to date. period.

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Thanks for your feedback. Maemo is a GREAT operating system and relatively we can call it the grandpa of Sailfish! I still use my N900 and it is lovely!

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  19. Jagdriver
    4 years ago

    My black N9 64 GB is my only and primary device since 13 months (I had a HTC HD2 with Windows Mobile 6.5 before that) and I love it. Compared to the Jolla I even think that the N9 UI is the most intuitive and the easiest of the two. Sailfish has lost a bit of the amazing bare basic handling of Meego Harmattan. No other UI has the killing combo of effectiveness and simplicity, IMO. This being said, I did sign up for the Jolla device and I’m looking forward to the launch at the end of this year. However, I’m a little worried that we will discover a beautiful high-end UI… packed in mid-range hardware.

    One more point. For my daily business I use Windows 8 on my tablet. I honnestly think that I could give Windows Phone 8 a go for my professional activities in order to make the most of the fast growing Windows ecosystem. The seemless integration of Skydrive is a major feature that I am beginning to miss on my N9. I’m afraid that cloud computing issues and ecosystems will push Jolla out off the market of business users. Future will tell I guess.

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      True that. N9 is a superb device with the most simple OS ever but since you need to add some new features every now an then, you need to make the OS a little bit more complicated but yet simpler than the others. Sailfish is the most ergonomic OS at the moment.

      About the ecosystems : Jolla is not about Ecosystem anymore but it’s about a multi-platform operating system that does have its own ecosystem while using others as well. Sailfish has three ecosystems at the same time (Android, HTML5 and Qt). That said, Sailfish is quite powerful from the start.

      Nice username by the way! I know a lot of Jag Drivers 😀

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  20. vektor
    4 years ago

    Very fanboish review, i never knew sailfish already has fanbois even before they get their hands on the device. I love Sailfish, I love Qt, i’m just waiting until i get my hands on that device. Kudos to the sailfish devs.

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      It might sound like that, but if you think of it; it’s actually no were near as fan-boy-ish ! because it’s all about facts.
      Thanks for the feedback thou.

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      • veb
        4 years ago

        It is not. I preordered 100e version of Jolla and I am excited like little boy about it. But WP8 is nice os and I think it is less complicated.

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  21. Ali Najafi
    4 years ago

    I’m an Ubuntu fanboy, but the problem with left-handed persons in Ubuntu is a real mess. But you’ve missed the convergence story where Ubuntu will be able to be a full PC and Sailfish have problems with rich-menu apps.

    I think Sailfish will be comparable with only two ones in the future: Ubuntu in design and on high-end phones (which I personally love its neat, fresh and organized UI, and feels Sailfish kind of crowded) and Firefox on the low-end phones.

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      That is correct Ali. Ubuntu is a superb OS on PC with no real competitors on that part. I only didn’t mention it because the topic was only about mobile devices. I absolutely LOVE ubuntu and I practically use it three or four times a week but that gesture problem… I don’t think it’s satisfying enough man. but Thanks for the great comment. and I’m glad a lot of people from Iran read this blog. Thank you.

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      • adlubster
        4 years ago

        no you missed the part where a Ubuntu mobile can be used as a full computer using a monitor and external keyboard. its pretty much as going home or anywhere and your phone will be your PC.

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        • James (Sepehr Noori)
          James (Sepehr Noori)
          4 years ago

          Firstly, this article was written when Ubuntu phone was not announced.
          Secondly that was a feature of the Ubuntu phone and the phone had 4GB of memory so in case of having Ubuntu Touch OS you would need a phone with a massively expensive hardware. Which isn’t quite there on these days.

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  22. Pankaj
    4 years ago

    Good Post James…..
    Keep it Up

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Thanks Pankaj 🙂 Looking forward to more posts from you as well man.

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  23. Martin
    4 years ago

    I think that WP and other OS looks out better than Sailfish (icons etc..). Jolla has lot’s of works to do in this area because for consumer this is one of the most important thing. In any case I hope that Jolla will challenge other players in the field

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      In terms of icons, Jolla has managed to define their design language and their icons are quite unique between others.
      Thanks for the feedback.

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    • Shane
      4 years ago

      Usually when you feel something has “lots of work to do” you define [in detail] what that work is, & how it’s “much worse” than existing equivalents.

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  24. N.S.
    4 years ago

    I like sailfish a lot as I was a N9 user and like it from an open source perspective. But seriously, the comparison with BB10 isn’t honest at all. The only two andvantages, if so, are the “true multitasking” and that it is “more open” (which doesn’t matter to end users anyway). BB10 has an android compatibility layer just as sailfish and the swipe gestures are just as present as in sailfish.

    And what do you mean by “more organized” and “less confusing? I don’t understand in what way BB10 is more confusing or less organized??

    I am using a BBRY Z10 right now and even though I like sailfish and hope for jolla to establish sailfish as an additional player in the mobile world, I only see very few, if any noticable advantages over BB10.

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  25. hugo cano
    4 years ago

    buen articulo y tienen razon que aburrido es W.P es un sistema operativo sin vida,
    queviva el nokia n9.

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    • Shane
      4 years ago

      It may come as a surprise to you, but in reality English is the “world language”, the “lingua franca” so-to-speak.
      if you want a “far larger” audience to understand & appreciate your point of view, then express it in English.

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  26. atim
    4 years ago

    hey james great job :)<3 I hope there will be sailfish for Nokia N9 too although I still will love meego 😀 <3 <3 <3 <3

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Thanks for the feedback. Yea lets hope developers port it soon.

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    • Shane
      4 years ago

      Want sailfish, buy a sailfish device, expecting sailfish for N9xx is supporting Nokia for their total & utter negligence.

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  27. Uncrep
    4 years ago

    when it will release ?

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Hopefully by the end of this year

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  28. JL
    4 years ago

    AFAIK Ubuntu Phone will share the same core OS with the desktop Ubuntu. Only the UI layer is different, meaning that your desktop OS actually is your phone OS. I think this is a huge benefit from developers point of view. I like Sailfish very much, but there’s no laptop or desktop Sailfish…at least for now.

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Yes you are right about Ubuntu. but Sailfish is a mobile-focused OS but it is able to be ported on anything. (depending on the processor)

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    • Shane
      4 years ago

      This sums things up best, when it comes to the desktop mobile integration = l337 argument
      http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1941044&p=48#r950

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  29. Ivan (@twittsivan)
    4 years ago

    I’m not sure why did you write in Sailfish over BlackBerry 10 “Ability to run Android apps”. BlackBerry 10 IS able to run them as well, actually on your screenshot Instagram is Android app because no native version is still available 🙂 From BB 10.2 it will ahve Android 4.2 support. How about Sailfish, what Android version it’s going to support?

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      I made a mistake there. will update the post soon. Thanks for the feedback.

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    • Shane
      4 years ago

      It’s not yet clear what version, what is clear…
      Is that these two compatibility layers are “very different” in how they work, & :. how they can be leveraged.
      HOW that makes one of them better/worse in some/most/all ways, still remains to be seen.

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  30. Ali Fakhruddin
    4 years ago

    Im a wp user.. And trust me i miss my N900 and N9 everyday.. The problem is even L800 looks like N9

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  31. Ali Fakhruddin
    4 years ago

    And thats killing evryday…

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    • Shane
      4 years ago

      What do you mean by “even the L800”? It was the one that looked MOST like the N9.
      Since then there’s been quite a lot of divergence in appearance, except for some of the most recent Lumias.

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      • James (Sepehr Noori)
        James (Sepehr Noori)
        4 years ago

        Well many Lumias look like N9! the design language was taken straight from N9. What he meant is that Lumia 800 reminds him of his N9.

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        • Shane
          4 years ago

          It’s fair to say they all take cues to some degree, but as we get further away, it becomes less & less fair to say that Lumia’s are based “directly” on the N9 design language. Some of them have looked very different, others (usually older models -but not exclusively- like the L800) are very similar.

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  32. d
    4 years ago

    one of the beauties of having gesture-based navigation is the possibility of having larger screen size in the same phone body size, the lumia 1020 can have larger screen size than 4.5″ if it is powered by Meego.

    Sailfish vs Meego. it is like One-page homescreen vs three-page homescreen, thanks god, i dont need to swipe more after exiting an application in Sailfish. i really want to Nokia let me hide that event view in meego.

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Thanks for the feedback but sadly, Nokia will not do anything for N9 after all.

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  33. Raz
    4 years ago

    Nice article! Sailfish clearly has lots of advantages when compared to other mobile operating systems.

    Some feedback:
    – Sailfish is not fully open source yet. UI code is closed at the moment.
    – Althought I see myself as Sailfish fan this article sounds to me a bit fanboyish for some reason. If you want to turn those Lagdroid or iFail guys to Sailfish side you need to write in more neutral style.

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Correct. Thanks for the feedback.

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  34. TemeV
    4 years ago

    One big advantage for the Windows phone (or is it just for Lumias) is the maps and global offline navigation. I use my N9 for navigation a lot, and I’m afreid that Jolla woun’t have proper maps. That might be a reason for me to stay with Nokia.

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    • Shane
      4 years ago

      WP has nokia maps, but it’s usually a few steps (or several) behind nokia maps for lumias.
      Maps isn’t a reason to switch to WP, if that’s your main reason, then you’re better-off going for Android, or perhaps even iOS. It’s unclear what navigation sw Sailfish will use, it’s possible it’ll license nokia maps from nokia, but that’s still pure speculation.

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      • TemeV
        4 years ago

        What do you mean by few steps behind? I haven’t tried other WP than Lumia, but with them the maps are great. For what I have understood, with Android or iOS you can’t download maps of whole country for offline use. So if I need a phone with a good satnav, I choose Lumia.

        If there is proper navigation available for reasonable price, I will most likely buy a Jolla phone. If there isn’t I’ll stay with N9, and wait until there is better option.

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        • Shane
          4 years ago

          Yep, that’s most of the [significant] differences for the ios/android version…
          There are however far better 3rd-party options, ones that aren’t available for WP, at least yet.
          But I wasn’t just speaking in terms of navigation, multitude of other factors need to be considered.
          There’ll be nav for Jolla, whether it’s as good as nav for WP/Android & non-stock iOS is another Qn, I doubt it will be, but it should steadily but surely improve.
          If it’s almost as good as N9’s stock experience, that’ll be an okay start…

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      In addition to Shane’s comment, I would have to add that HERE maps is almost available for all other platforms. And it might be available for sailfish as well when it’s available.

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  35. purefacts
    4 years ago

    WP over Sailfish: Big IT-company of the most popular OS behind WP, compared to poor Jolla. Windows software solutions ecosystem, especially for the business market, compared to Jolla’s not much. MS Office, safe software market (no android-malwares). WP has support of tele-companies – has Jolla any yet? WP has strong device technology and leader mobile camera-technology, that Jolla can’t compete.

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      1. WP isn’t an IT company, and if you mean Microsoft, they are doing basically nothing.
      2. Ecosystem’s time is up. talking about ecosystems is old fashioned. Sorry.
      3. MS office for phones is as same as the other office apps. Sailfish is secure enough in terms of accepting malwares.
      4. WP hasn’t got any support, it’s the companies like Nokia which have supports. Jolla will announce very soon.
      5. Hardware companies decide the device technology and by technology, what exactly do you mean?
      6. Cutting edge camera technology is from Nokia not Microsoft or WP! Symbian had a 41 MP OIS camera with that super zoom as well. don’t make a fuss of it please!
      Period.

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      • Shane
        4 years ago

        Slight correction, 808 had PV1 not PV2, which is predominantly about the OIS tech.
        1020 “finally” brought PV1 (from 808) & PV2 (from 920) tech together in one device.
        BUT it remains to be seen if 1020 PV1 tech is better overall than 808’s, at this point it looks to be slightly worse overall, or in the best case scenario, slightly better.*

        Which is pretty poor when they’ve had literally years now to incorporate PV1 & PV2 into the one device. It’s something they would’ve done better & sooner with MeeGo, but probably with slightly more $ outlayed by the company.

        *but certainly weaker in “some” PV1 areas

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        • James (Sepehr Noori)
          James (Sepehr Noori)
          4 years ago

          Thanks for the correction Shane.

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    • Shane
      4 years ago

      Interesting that you only compare it with WP, if you’re going to be balanced & not the massive fanboy you appear to be, then you should compared it to iOS/Android too. In that game WP’s being smashed even more than WP’s smashing Sailfish (which isn’t hard as it hasn’t even launched it’s 1st devices yet).

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  36. Oreg
    4 years ago

    Nice summary.

    WP over Sailfish: Nokia

    Nokia has amazing hardware enginering (display, camera, quality…). I know, we are talking about OS here, but until Nokia starts using another OS (beside WP), we can count these as pros for WP.

    Remains to be seen what Jolla can provide on hardware side.

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  37. Shane
    4 years ago

    Hw is something that’s talked-up way too much for Nokia nowadays, there was a day when it could be said they have amazing hw, that day is no more. The only area in which they’re still pretty strong is imaging, & that’s an area in which competitors are quickly catching up. It’s true that Jolla has little-to-none of the hw capabilities that competitors or Nokia has, which is why their trump card of hw augmentation via the Other Half will be important. If they truly do innovate in that area, then they’ll make up for deficits in other areas. Then there’s the sw, which will probably not be as feature-packed as Android/iOS, but will probably be eminently more hack-able/flexible & usable, especially compared to iOS/WP.

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    • Shane
      4 years ago

      Lets also not forget that the 1st Jolla phone won’t be priced as a top-end/premium device.
      it’ll be priced at upper mid-end, & most of it’s specs will be decidedly mid-end, possibly slightly worse in some areas.

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      • Oreg
        4 years ago

        Nokia’s CBD display is pretty nice stuff too and there are other hw factors where Nokia is between bests (sound quality, signal strength…). But you are right. The first Jolla device is aimed to be mid-end device. If they can provide an apropriate hw for the price, they can have my money.

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        • James (Sepehr Noori)
          James (Sepehr Noori)
          4 years ago

          Actually Jolla device is a high-end device Depending on the hardware optimization with the software. The price of it is mid-range and don’t think just because it’s using a dual core, it’s old fashioned or low end. Its the software that demonstrates to everyone that two cores is enough already if you have a proper software.

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          • Shane
            4 years ago

            I don’t think sw optimisation should held up as a “golden beacon” too much, plenty of platforms r now “close to the metal” when it comes to sw, especially iOS & WP. Even Android is far better nowadays, & there’s other platforms coming into that stream. Despite what Oreg hopes for, Jolla won’t be able to deliver appropriate hw for the price, certainly not compared to the bigger players. What may help set them apart is their sw story, & by that I mean the “entire story”, plus “maybe” the Other Half.

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        • Shane
          4 years ago

          “CBD-like” tech not something unique to Nokia any more, neither is excellent SQ, I give you signal strength though, that indeed is a area in which they often still have a (slight) edge. But only “on average”, certainly not outright…

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  38. XDudeX
    4 years ago

    Here are the things that i want to see in Sailfish OS: More polished and modern icons(previously the icons were simple and modern but Jolla did a huge mistake by creating those different shapes icons. I want to see all the icons in same square shaped like in iOS or just give us the options to have three icons sets by defualt in the OS itself. Please don’t forget to give the icons which were previously designed), ability to have 7 or more homescreens out of which on 5 homescreens, mulitasking would be possible, a notifications toggles bar which will be revealed by swiping from bottom and then swiping from bottom again(notifications toggles must have a brightness slider, wifi, gps, some general profiles such as general, silent, outdoor, meeting, data connection etc.), the option to select other keyboards, a strong video and music player like in MeeGo, no vulnerability in the OS, no apps can be modified by anyone, option to install apps from third party sites, option to add icons on the lock screen, a well desinged transparent analog clock in square shaped, a transparent dual clock with many countries and for easy to select, like in Touchwiz UI with written state name, capital name and then country name, like this: Helsinki/Finland, London/UK, Austin/USA etc., hope Sailfish OS would be resource efficient like Symbian and MeeGo, a wide range of media support, a good camera interface with pro-like settings, more games, no adwares, no games which have the option to spend money for in game powerup stuffs, hope Jolla won’t distrubute the OS to every manufacturers which will let them modify it, thus avioding OS fragmentation; and managing both the hardware and software by Jolla itself, more updates to the software, always have SD card and removable battery in Jolla’s next phones, a good camera tech, and a blacklist. Hope Jolla phones would sell like hotcakes worldwide. And the most important thing which i forgot to mention, hope Jolla would review every app for Sailfish manually and keep NSA or something like that away from the OS. We don’t want our personal information to be tracked or given to the goverment. I hope Jolla wouldn’t be like Google which doesn’t review Android apps manually and developers get their apps live within an hour of submission and processing. I hope someone from Jolla is listening me… ): This OS is the only hope for me as i am tired of every other OS out there which tracks an user’s data and sends it to NSA or the goverment. Better don’t do business in the US or else NSA will catch this OS too. ): Beijing is dubious about the NSA’s stated aims, especially after news that the US agency hacked millions of Chinese SMS messages and is working closely with American technology firms. Even India is considering to put a ban on Android OS, mostly due to pornographic content in the Play Store. Meanwhile, Asia/India and China would be the biggest market for Sailfish OS…Jolla<3

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    • Shane
      4 years ago

      If you want people to read your posts, you need to structure things better, unfortunately ATM it’s a offensive “wall-o-text”.

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Shane is right. Your comment has to be a bit shorter yet more effective. But thanks for the feedback anyway.

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  39. XDudeX
    4 years ago

    The Jolla phone looks so simple and beatiful that i have deeply fallen for it. Sailfish OS is really something unique. It looks, feels and the fluidity of the OS is simply brilliant. Hats off to Jolla for the awesome work. Hope Jolla would be successful.

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Thanks. Indeed, it’s a brilliant job from a startup company.

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  40. Phil IMissMyN9
    4 years ago

    Hi,

    I was very pleased to see that Jolla planned to get android apps running via the alien dalvik machine, effectively giving a massive potential application boost on release.

    However, and this may be an issue for alien, android has proven to have very sloppy security. I have a TF101 as my first android device and as such it has limited personal information on it, but I am truly amazed at some the the permissions applications try and grant themselves.

    A possible unique selling point of Sailfish/Jolla would be if they could reintroduce some sanity into the permissions given to android applications. I understand that applications will need to be recompiled for the alien dalvik machine in any case, so this should still be something the underlying OS can control. “chroot” perhaps…?

    Other than that, I am quite thrilled to have an update to my N9, as believe it or not I am relying on my N8 which is a little bit limiting but with vastly better battery life!!

    Regarding the otherhalf, I am still waiting to here of the configuration of this feature, as I have some ideas for possible use in diagnostics.

    P.

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    • Shane
      4 years ago

      You won’t have an update for your N9, you will have sailfish on your sailfish phone.
      There may be a very rough community port for N9xx hw, that’s it…
      How many times does that have to be explained, why do people automatically assume jolla has to support nokia’s phone. Re other points, some good ones there.

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  41. d
    4 years ago

    N9 users please buy Jolla if you like Open source OS and SWIPE which is useless at Nokia

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  42. d
    4 years ago

    If the rumoured budget iphone is real, may it has big impact to Jolla? WP will not grow

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  43. Phil IMissMyN9
    4 years ago

    Hi,

    I meant a replacement for my N9 (battery failing), not putting sailfish on it.

    So getting a Jolla is the plan, when they start selling it here!

    In addition to my comment earlier regarding the other half, I meant “medical diagnostics”. If there were a sufficient data connection it would be a very versatile device.

    P.

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    • Shane
      4 years ago

      Cool, thanks for the clarification…
      It’ll be ages before it’s available to the local distribution/retail channels of many countries, they don’t have the infrastructure for that, unlike big co’s like Nokia.
      But that shouldn’t be relevant to most users interested in getting it, as it’ll be available online to many of those countries long before then.

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  44. Adman
    4 years ago

    In a moment and then we can give our life a sequel with Jolla / Sailfish. Fantastic how Sailfish works. Not dependent on all these apps, just a complete OS. And you get a T-shirt.

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  45. Jairo
    4 years ago

    Muy buen artículo. Sería excelente publicarlo en español también B-)
    Salud…

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  46. StefanP
    4 years ago

    Just missed another important call on my Lumia 920 because of that stupid single common volume design. I have to turn down the volume because I don’t want a loud game sound or to wake up my wife with this stupid sound when connecting to the charger. On the other hand, incoming calls should always be loud! If I forget to change the volume in the morning, like today, I will not hear incoming calls. So stupid!
    Can anyone confirm that I can adjust the ringer volume separately from system and game sounds on Sailfish?
    The Lumia 920 has a fantastic camera, but the OS sucks at so many small, but important things! I am waiting for my pre-ordered Jolla phone!!!

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    • Kaacz
      4 years ago

      On N9 is used Pulse (linux standard) for sound management. Each app AND each output (repro, headphones, BT headphones) have own volume set. I hope Jolla will do just as well in SailfishOS. 🙂

      Bad sound management on WP is epic fail…

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  47. d
    4 years ago

    situations for n9 and symbian belle is the app you want in your case. worth the penny you pay.

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    • Kaacz
      4 years ago

      Situations is too close. For future, better is Profilematic.

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  48. Edmundas (@DvittEdd)
    4 years ago

    I can take pretty much any of these OSes and write a similar article how that chosen OS is better than all the rest. You Meego/Jolla people obviously hate WP8 the most. 🙂 Lets see.

    WP8 vs Sailfish:
    1. WP8: simpler, clearer, more consistent and modern, more organized UI and controls vs Sailfish: confusing gestures and unclear UI with too much toying with transparency effects. By using various built in gestures Sailfish OS takes something from apps, for example: what if Sailfish app developer wants to build an app with side scrolling support? It will be quite a mess and not really nice experience.
    2. Live tiles in WP8 vs “Sailfish multitasking cards”. This isn’t even comparable. WP8 live tiles actually replace app icons and show some useful information at the same time, are resizable (can provide different information for different tile sizes) and you can also pin or unpin whatever you want, one app can have multiple live tiles for items you actually care. At the same time, you still have static app icons in Sailfish, “Sailfish multitasking cards” are just cards for only currently running apps, you can’t customize them, they’ll disappear after app will be closed etc. Yes, it’s nice that they can react to gestures too, but then Android widgets are much more powerful here in terms of actually controlling something.
    3. Sailfish apps vs WP8 apps. Unlike Sailfish apps, apps in WP8 were actually built for WP8 not Android or something else. This means that WP8 apps are optimized for WP8, use WP8 modern design language and unique OS features such as notifications, live tiles, camera lenses, xbox achievements, etc. and this gives a much more consistent experience. Sailfish OS will have a very very long way to go to come close to that, if it ever will.
    4. WP8 has much heavier and influential backing: Microsoft + Nokia, this means some great apps even which are not available on other platforms (at least for free), yes even including Android. This also means impressive Nokia hardware.

    “Open source”, “truly Linux”… – do you really think many end users even care?

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    • Shane
      4 years ago

      Nice massive (rude) necro, too afraid to front up when the thread’s far more active?

      “You Meego/Jolla people obviously hate WP8 the most.”

      Yeah, I’m sure you can come to that conclusion based on one article on the internetz, insecure much…

      Lets do a you: You’re “obviously” just a WP fanboy….
      Most who’ve used maemo/meego/similar heavily are far more versatile than that, they’ve had to learn how to be anti-fanboys.

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      • Edmundas (@DvittEdd)
        4 years ago

        Well, after that joke about “Meego/Jolla people” I wrote quite a few arguments, in response I’ve got: “Rude”, “fanboy” , “afraid to front up”, “insecure much”… Now who is really insecure here?

        As for the “WP fanboy” part – I’m a software developer, my roots are in .NET development using C# plus I realy like what Nokia is doing, so yes I might be leaning towards WP, but actually currently I’m developing a game for Android and most of my devices are using Android. So now I’m not really sure, what kind of fanboy am I? 🙂 Here you go, my list from most liked to least liked OSes for now:
        1. Android
        2. Windows phone
        3. iOS
        4. BB10
        5. Ubuntu touch
        6. Sailfish
        7. Tizen
        8. Firefox

        By saying OSes I mean not only functionality/interface, etc. of OS itself but also everything what’s related to it, “full ecosystem”. The list might change in the future of course.

        As I said before, I can write something similar pretty much about any OS how it’s better than Sailfish or even all the rest OSes but since it looked like the author did not like WP the most (judging from this article), I chose WP.

        As for “too afraid to front up” – today is the day when I first time visited this page.

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      • Shane
        4 years ago

        Necro-ing IS “rude”, “WP fanboy” (as I said) was parroting what you were doing, what you posted indicated very much that you seemed “insecure”, “afraid to front-up” was a rhetorical Qn based on how late you chose to enter the stream, but if you honestly only just saw the article, then fair enough.

        If you’d chimed in much earlier, I would’ve allocated some time to address ALL your supposed “arguments”, even though many of them were actually poorly informed.
        If I chose to thoroughly address every necro-post in every thread I’m subscribed to, I’d never get any work done.

        Your list is quite similar to mine, although you’re wrong about Ubuntu Touch, it should be below Sailfish, perhaps even below Tizen. Sailfish, Tizen, or Ubuntu will move ahead of BB10 within the next 12mth, perhaps even 2 or all 3 will, & 1 or 2 may even skip ahead of iOS/WP.
        By move/skip ahead, I mean in terms of a interesting env. for devs & power-users alike to play/work, move ahead in terms of market-share will be a much harder/longer slog.

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    • R. K. (@Kaacz)
      4 years ago

      1. Paralax scrolling efekt on WP make me sick as on boat. Jolla SWIPE gestures are easy and clear. Only for totaly new user feels little intricately – i was need 3 days for N9 SWIPE learning, but now I am not able use nothing other. Side scrolling in app? Where is the problem? This is normaly possible, scroll inside app have nothing with SWIPE scroll from edge. I know, you don’t know this. And many other things…
      2. Multitask cards are not comparable with Live tiles or Android widgets. I want see live status runing APP (i mean true foreground running apps). I no need widgets. Live tiles? Info about Info ? OK, I see: I have 5 emails. Who cares if this number is 1 or 1000 ? For this I have one icon in sys-bar on N9, no need Tile.
      Live tiles say me only: YOU HAVE SOMETHING NEW. WTF?!? .. useless. N9 and Sailfish have Event screen (on BB10 Hub), perfect ergonomic place, where i have all events and messages. 90% I may read in full – no need open apps. Simply, fast, ergonomic. iOS, Android, WP have not this feature.
      3. LOL
      4. LOL

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      • James (Sepehr Noori)
        James (Sepehr Noori)
        4 years ago

        Well, you said it all Kaacz! No argue with that 🙂

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  49. StefanP
    4 years ago

    Actually I think you are right, many people here hate WP. The reason for my hate is that WP cripples excellent Nokia HW!
    Yes, very consistent UI on WP! I like especially the BACK BUTTON, which brings you sometimes one level up in the application, sometimes simply one step back inside the application and sometimes exits the application!
    The list of settings changes the order according to latest updates, you always need to scan through the text to find the need settings item.
    And I find it not very intuitive that you can’t just tap on the WiFi icon to select a new hotspot. Another thing is of course that this top status bar is sometimes not available at all, depending on the running app.
    The Live Tiles. Oh how live they are. The Battery Sense app needs to be opened to show the actual battery status. WP limitations do not permit frequent updates of the tile.
    Let’s not forget the actual multitasking capabilities of WP. Maps download? Offline Radio Mix updates? The app must run in the foreground, you can’t do anything else during this time.
    WP8 apps optimized for WP8? What does this mean? Why is my Lumia 920 getting hot while a simple text based game like Akinator is running? Any Symbian or iOS device is more energy efficient!
    Open Source? Maybe many users don’t even know what this is. But for sure they will benefit, if improvements will be implemented in blink of an eye, while MS needs many month deliver simple improvements (or bug corrections) like a persistent WLAN connection.
    I can only agree to the 4), MS has a stronger backing. I doubt that this means automatically great apps.

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  50. Shane
    4 years ago

    Don’t speak for everyone, not all maemo/meego/similar users put WP down the bottom of their list, I doubt even the majority do. It’s only the ignorance/bias of some users that would cause them to “assume” that (not referring to you).

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  51. ---
    4 years ago

    Some points:
    – jolla could become real alternative as it’s less likely to be NSA spyware
    – sailfish ui is graphically amateurish partially (i say this as professional graphic designer), also there’s no information about customization
    – iOS applications can be done simply by exporting in industry standard adobe software. this is very important, since it’s the designer who’s doing the apps nowdays. if you can’t export app, there wont be one necessary. adobe cooperation would be very crucial.
    – WP tile interface is totally useful and i’d like to see jolla stealing it. it’s best interface for phone there can be. i don’t say this because i have WP, but because it just works and is very customizable and flexible. placing icons on grid which are same size is so 90s.

    i’m consider getting jolla, but the immaturity of ui is the most important problem i think there is

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    • sledges
      4 years ago

      Sailfish has addressed the following core UX aspects very successfully, I might be completely wrong because I’m not a graphics designer:
      * Minimalistic
      – yet allows customisation (namely settings/control-panel icon shortcuts and ambiance)
      – more flexibility would introduce complexity and steep learning curve (difficulties) for new users
      * No thumb stretching
      * Significantly reduced number of taps/swipes to trigger essential functions
      * No-nonsense, no-clutter: concentrate on one app at a time, no distractions to battery/signal status etc.

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      • James (Sepehr Noori)
        James (Sepehr Noori)
        4 years ago

        absolutely true.

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    • R. K. (@Kaacz)
      4 years ago

      You are wrong. Jolla not use any from WP tiles. “Multitask cards” screen are not main controll screen, this is only screen with “foreground running apps”, understand you ? And same screen is used on N9. Jolla “steal” this screen, not ugly WP tiles ..
      IMHO, placing icons with fixed pos. is maybe old, but still ergonomics and quick. On N9 i start any app with only 2 click .. with 300 apps installed! No need scroll for any app launch.
      On WP always I need find right tile (tiles still changes .. brr) – ergonomic fail. Same as merge launch icon with running icon on W7 – i hate this! I want always to know exact state of all.

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  52. Pouria
    4 years ago

    I think sailfish isn’t suitable for developers, android is hard (because of devices variety), IOS (too many apps and developers [Velesh kon] ) but wp (bad tools)? I’m not wp fan but I love Nokia and I hope for Nokia employee influence on Microsoft team.
    can you help me about OS ecosystem?

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      I guess at the moment according to most reviewers and experts, Sailfish is the most suitable OS for both end and power users. Sailfish has three ecosystems, 1.Sailfish 2.Android and 3. HTML5.
      At first, you can use Android apps if the Sailfish ecosystem isn’t complete enough for you, then as a matter of time you will see Sailfish’s ecosystem growing like the others and you will not need Android in many points after that.

      HTML 5 has also a good ecosystem already although it’s not very powerful but it is good for an alternative and fun.

      So since Sailfish supports all of them, I guess it’s the most suitable, also for devs because writing apps in Qt5 and designing them on Cilica is extremely easier than others.

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      • Micha
        4 years ago

        I personally don’t think the android runtime has a positive effect on app development.
        Having a BB10 device it’s nice to be able to run android apps, but you seriously don’t want to keep running the android app or port, you want the native app.
        Why should you as android dev write a native BB10 app when a port or sideload will do as well?

        Same will be for sailfish.

        People don’ t want to run android apps when you have a sailfish OS.
        Luckily the meego apps can be ported easily and the OS is open compared to BB10, so I think app wise it will develop better than the BB10 app market.

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        • R. K. (@Kaacz)
          4 years ago

          Yes. I need Android app only in one single case: native app not exist.
          Banking, public transport info – where data are closed and only owner make apps only for mainstream OSes.
          In the moment when native app exist, I use native app.

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  53. jotizen
    4 years ago

    great review very comprehensive seems like sailfish do have a better future..its a threat to Tizen and Firefox

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      Thanks for the feedback! Yes, it does have a future!

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  54. Daniel
    4 years ago

    WP over Sailfish:
    What?

    LOL!!!

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    • James (Sepehr Noori)
      James (Sepehr Noori)
      4 years ago

      😀 I really thought a lot! Nothing came 😀

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    • Lamin Gitteh (@mlgitteh)
      4 years ago

      Yea Daniel..!!
      WP over all OS…
      More user friendly… Android crashes easily and iOS annoying… Let’s wait for yours..

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      • Shane
        4 years ago

        Having a WP device (1020), I’d say usability is pretty mediocre, it’s lean/snappy/efficient when it comes to using resources, but overall UX is quite poor. It’s also pretty dumb to say it’s better than everything, there’s no such OS, they all have their strengths/weaknesses, + some of the OS’s aren’t yet ready to be compared with the established ones.

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  55. Choki Yumi
    4 years ago

    Big corporations are society’s theft…Apple, Microsoft and Google are just there to steal your life and money and control you. Bleh!

    Go Sailfish! Sail to the future <3

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  56. Lamin Gitteh (@mlgitteh)
    4 years ago

    Nice OS and UI but Windows Phone 8 rocks…

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  57. Tom Lau
    4 years ago

    I had an N900 and then an N9. I loved both of them. n900 was amazing but its hardware was really too slow. My n9 was great but it was stolen… I really wanted to get another N9 but it was discontinued and disappeared in the market.. I had no choice and got a nexus 4.. Now, jolla is something i really long for.. I am glad to see from the demo that it looks and operates just like n9 but with a fresher UI and interactive multitasking…

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  58. CodeFreak
    4 years ago

    hey man your review was best ever liked it very much awesome cool helpful and what can i say
    can you tell me where to buy sailfish mobile phones plizzzzzzzzzzzz

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  59. tiyok tekblung
    4 years ago

    It’s amazing OS..i want this OS in my phone…

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  60. Manoj G Seelan
    4 years ago

    Your post was really awesome. Waited for N9 in India, but atlast I went for Nokia 701. This time around I won’t compromise with anything. It’s only Jolla, eve if it takes months..

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  61. Manoj G Seelan
    4 years ago

    Waited for ‘THE’ Nokia N9 in India previously and finally got Nokia 701. But this time around, no compromises. I’ll buy only Jolla, even if it takes months to buy one.

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    • Shane
      4 years ago

      You’ll be waiting even longer this time around*, so lets hope you have the patience of a saint & are happy to live with your 701 for that long.
      But, at least it *MAY* eventually become “officially” available in India, which was never the case for the N9…

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  62. bbonsack
    4 years ago

    Dont Forget about Open WebOS!! The true creator of the modern os!! Even Steve Jobs himself said it was way ahead of its time and still is!

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    • Shane
      4 years ago

      It was always hugely overrated compared to Maemo 5x & 6x (meego-harmattan) by tech blogs that didn’t know what they were talking about but were just playing the sympathy card. It was good, but it certainly isn’t NOW, & it wasn’t “better” than some of the other niche alternatives around then, just different. I was a fan, as I was of some of the other niche platforms.

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  63. PriyanCedric
    4 years ago

    Is there a possibility to port Sailfish OS to Lumia 800? Pls let us know

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    • Shane
      4 years ago

      No. There isn’t.

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  64. PriyanCedric
    4 years ago

    Is there a possibility to port sailfish to lumia 800? Please let us know

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  65. Joe
    4 years ago

    I think Sailfish and Jolla has the tools and features to be at the top, I think this year its main competitor is the Tizen O.S, but Jolla is already ahead of the game will see if what will happen to Tizen when the O.S is out this year

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  66. Fahniadi
    4 years ago

    You lost important think to compare sailfish with Asha OS as new comer.
    I have use android since beginning latest Lumia and IOS 7 as well N9.
    What the conclusion the Asha OS is most simple and faster. And more very impressive can do better than what S4 have, for basic.

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  67. Fahniadi
    4 years ago

    One more about WP. I have Lumia 920.
    On beginning I feel disappointment but day by day getting better and flowing like water. And look will be more comfortable than android it feel older as OS.
    Sailfish can be alterative to android as sailfish can run most android APPs. That mean WP is real sailfish competitor than alternative.

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  68. dfgdfsg
    4 years ago

    I agree with you. I think it was an mistake of nokia dropping meego and go for WP. I think with meego they was on the right way and if they had spent a liitle mor time they would have been succesfull and back in the mobile market. But long story short – they banned it, changed to WP and now we have jolla. I think it’s an great os and become better and better. But your comparison to wp is too short in my opinion. WP is a good OS I think. Before jolöla was up it has the nicest ui of all. The consistent design in the whole os and in all apps was very good and easy to use. After two days with WP I was a fan. The whole control of the os is more intuitiv than android. There are two kind of views as a terchnical user and as a normal one. I like android, having custom roms, eperiment with development, flashaholic, don’t need software to transfer files and so on. But normal user want to have a phone that explains itself with not so much stuff to configure. So WP does this with the best ui until jolla.

    So WP is not so bad. I like it and if a normal user ask me which one to buy I would suggest iphone or wp because of the many things you can do with android which a normal user nerver need.

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  69. LamiaLove
    4 years ago

    Both WP and Sailfish GUIs are brilliant in two opposite ways.

    WP is based on simplicity and intuitiveness. This is great for new smartphone users, because it’s very intuitive: hey, look, something there; lemme touch it; hey, it does something; cool.

    Sailfish, on the other side, is for people who won’t get confused by gestures which are not that intuitive. You might say “bullshit! They are very intuitive.”, but you would be wrong. You see, there are no intuitive gestures. You must learn them first, while tapping some visual thing is very natural and in line with how humans (and lots of other creatures) function.
    So, yes, Sailfish gestures are intuitive compared to gestures found on other phone OSes, but they still need getting used to.
    Sailfish is for more advanced users.

    I, for one, love both principles and understand why each company chose the one they did.
    Of course, I am talking here about the design principles alone, and not about why WP cannot ring AND vibrate the phone at the same time, or other such retarded oversights in the OS.

    I currently use WP, but, boy oh boy, do I want to get my hands on a Sailfish phone!…

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  70. Istvan
    4 years ago

    Sailfish is Beta… Comparing it with the later 3 OS’s makes your post look silly.

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  71. elquintesencio
    4 years ago

    I’ve watched several clips about the new Sailfish OS. It’s new. I like the gesture mode. What I totally dislike are those dim background light, disorderly apps. It remains me on iOS. In my opinion, Sailfish can compete with BB10 only. I’m fascinated by WP8, because it’s very simple, easy to use OS, and those Live-Tiles are great, cause they’re constantly refreshing and you can differenciate each apps of each.

    I wanna buy a new device – and I play with the thought buying a WP device. Tizen is ok – if there weren’t those diusturbing static icons.

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    • Istvan
      4 years ago

      I put my Jolla to the drawer and went back to my N9. When buying it I wad aware that it’s very beta and I want to contribute it, but I actually need a usable phone as primary, and since the last update Sailfish isn’t one

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  72. mutosan
    4 years ago

    Well you wrong in one case. Apple did not start this game. Until Apple started with smartphones and app store, Nokia had allready those things. Just remember the communicator of nokia and the nokia store. What Apple did was they made it much more accessable for normal users and the phone os as well. Still they have NOT been the first ones. I know that everyone is saying that but its just not true.

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  73. Jaden Pleasants
    4 years ago

    you essentially say that android is shit in comparison to sailfish OS. its not. almost every feature in sailfish OS can be ported to android. same with LITERALLY EVERY OS EVER.

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    • Steve
      4 years ago

      (Un)fortunately, You’re right. At first, we need to settle some _basic_ features, like mms, video call and conference call, to make Sailfish at leat comonly usable. I’m afraid the any claim that Sailfish in supperior to any mainstream OS, having in mind the facts given before, just comes out of pure entusiasm.

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  74. Yoshimitsu
    3 years ago

    What you mean with bb10 being hard to use? I use a BlackBerry Z30 and is fast and no confusing at all, WP is also awesome, the integration with everyting is a gift that i will miss forever like contacts always on hotmail, my e mail always on time, one drive, facebook chat with no delay, live tiles wich can now use a wallpaper, i agree with you in everyting but those 2. I also love sailfish and i’m just waiting to get one and try it up, nice review BTW

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  75. LK901
    3 years ago

    Sailfish has lost. There is no media coverage. It was the first to go since it has nearly no backing. Sorry.
    Now it is really Firefox vs Ubuntu, and Tizen still has a chance since Samsung and Intel and Linux Foundation are backing it.
    But, sailfish is dead. There is one phone made by an unknown start up company? That is worse that FFOS’s selection or even UTouch.

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    • Istvan
      3 years ago

      That’s harsh. Sailfish did not lose (still), but it needs to fix some basic usability issues (actually a lot of them) until any other manufacturer would seriously consider it as a candidate. And no, 4G won’t make it a candidate while it’s still unstable with so many bugs. This is where efforts should be.

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  76. Ano-Nim
    3 years ago

    I’m a big fan of Ubuntu and I belive it still has the potential to compete against android. Not to mention the “convergence” thing – I already own a win8 tablet and I dock it to a monitor and with a keyboard and mouse it becomes a PC. It’s a good imitation, but using windows apps with mouse sucks, it doesn’t have keyboard shortcuts and it’s hard to use desktop apps on touchscreen. That’s why I’m waiting for a true ubuntu “edge”.

    Anyways, the article has its good and bad parts. iOS – even if it’s old it’s still very optimized for apple’s hardware. WP – is backed up by Microsoft so in some time (when it will combine with windows RT) it will become something better. FirefoxOS – they aren’t a competitor, because they aim the low-end market wih budget phones. Tizen has potential as well, but I don’t know s**t about it so I might come back to comment after I find out more. And Sailfish – I think you pointed out every important aspect of it.

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  77. Juan Sebastián Pacheco Díaz
    3 years ago

    James. I was thinking very serious about a Jolla phone… the problem to me was related to the frequency bands used for 3G. In Colombia the phone would be useless for 3G so if Jolla is thinking in no other markets away from europe to me that phone is not an option. I love my N9 with meego and I think that Nokia people were so stupid to approve WP to replace meego. Nevertheless I’ll try Jolla but only when the device work in 850-1900 MHz band for 3G. Maybe you can pass the message to the Jolla Olympus because I tried to ask for that and I had no response.

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    • Sepehr James Noori
      Sepehr James Noori
      3 years ago

      That is sad to hear 🙁 but Jolla phone is now aimed for Europe and Asia unfortunately :\

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  78. Ajisht2
    3 years ago

    Am still using Symbian(Belle FP2-Nokia 603), in fact I only owned Symbian. Am kinda married to it (So unfortunate you didn’t compare with it. I understand the reason is-its not supported any more 🙁 ).Ma frnds used to call me INBUILT-SYMBIAN when I started to talk against Android.______However, I used to date with all of the popular OS (Except BB). ____I didn’t like Android cause I feel she is Ugly, fat._____ About iOS, coz I didnt feel like am using a smart phone. I felt like a lazy worker who only works when am around. Yet too expensive. ____Abt WP, I don’t know what, but I hate her.May be coz she s the reason ma wife (symbian) got killed.____Anyway, now am thinking about a second marriage. Pleased with Jolla. And waiting for her sister… 😉

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    • Istvan Prosinger
      3 years ago

      Well Nokia beside all the “bad things” did put up some “polishing” standards, not just about the manufacture, but Symbian also had loads od features regarding organiser and messaging that still seems to be quite unreachable for all the others. In those cases, everything was just where and how it’s supposed to be, and that makes using other brands, well, annoying. At this moment the N9 is pretty close to that, and Jolla is far, far away.

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  79. 10basetom
    3 years ago

    “[Swipe-based OS’s] started with WebOS from Palm but defined cleanly by Harmattan on the Nokia N9.”

    Correction: It actually started with the Neonode N1’s Neno OS, which was itself built on top of WinCE. I still own the N2, which you can’t really operate unless you are familiar with its gestures.

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  80. anihex
    3 years ago

    To me the calculator of a phone was somewhat important. I didn’t require complex stuff. But the phone had to be able to at least calc “3+3*3” correctly. And while Nokia had quite cool hardware, the calculator was always so basic, it was years behind it’s competitors. For me, that was one of the reasons I never realy liked Nokia.

    Then I got a Sony Ericson Vivaz Pro (as a gift). At that time I didn’t know much (almost nothing) about modern mobile OS. But I found out, that the phone was using the most up-to-date Symbian. Yet the calculator was still unable to do this simply task.

    I wondered why and looked up the developer of Symbian (I didn’t know up to this point) and when I found out, that Symbian was developed by Nokia and that Nokia disconntinued it, I was hardly surprised as I’ve seen that Nokia seems to be able to do software right.

    I was quite surprised though that Nokia decided to stick to WP instead of Android. Something I thought as a *big* mistake on Nokias side. And I was kinda right.

    Nokia sold their phone area to Microsoft as they were unable to compete with the Android and iOS.

    Seeing that Nokia dropped MeeGo too gives *me* following possible reasons:
    – MeeGo sucked so hard that even Nokia couldn’t see any more use for it (unlikely)
    – Nokia came to it senses and stopped trying to do something they actually sucked at (developing software) and gave a good base to Jolla which I hope is far nore competent
    – Nokia trusted in WP and kicked everything else out – even though they could have developed something usable for once just to find itself buttkicked once again (Not Android, but WP this time)

    If this sounds like a post of Nokia hater: Sorry, I truly believe Nokia was only somewhat good at hardware. Software was never their strong part. Even the cheapest Samsung or LG phone at that time had better software that the most expensive Nokia phone. Especially the calculator. I think that is the upside of WP on Nokia devices: A usable calculator (or at least I hope so).

    I truly hope that Jolla can pull a stunt and turn the tables to their favour. But I can’t fully agree with the statement “Future is not about hardware. It’s about software.”
    Simply because without hardware, there is no software. And I might say something completly irrelevant here, but even Firefox OS – a OS developed by Mozilla – hardly gets any support from manufactors. And I think the names “Mozilla” and “Firefox” are more know than “Jolla” and “Sailfish” – especially to the vast majority of customers.

    BTW … I ditched my Sony Ericson (the touchscreen became unusable at some point) and got myself a phone with Android. And yes, I agree that Android (and not the hardware) needs some “tuning”. My device got 2GB RAM and a quite fast CPU (and GPU). Yet the RAM seems still to small.
    My phone with Firefox OS (512 MB RAM and a WAAAAY less powerfull CPU) might lag here and there, but overall it seems more optimised to me.

    And before I forget it: I’m a hobby developer and I love developing small games for mobiles. I use the language “Haxe” for this which compiles to iOS, Android, Tizen, HTML5, BlackBerry …
    The HTML5 output is horrible slow. At least on Firefox OS (standalone browsers seem quite fine). I truly hope they support Sailfish (and optimise the HTML5 output!) in the near future as I’d love to buy a phone with Sailfish – even if it’s just for testing purposes.

    Have a nice day (and don’t hate me TOO much. 😉

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  81. Amjad
    3 years ago

    Hey!
    Anyone know, how to install sailfish in firefox os flame reference device?
    Really, i wanna try this awesome os 🙂

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  82. Jose
    3 years ago

    Hello
    First of all, I am one of those who want the Sailfish operating system to work properly and can directly attack ios and android.
    especially that jolla revolutionize the market.
    after that I think should hear the views of all people and especially consumers and developers, who not only left the opinions in the air.
    third, if they want to compete with ios, I will quote some points
    1 ios sell you an experience not a product.
    2 The integration between your devices is great.
    3. have siri
    4. good level applications
    5. A good hardware
    6. This highly optimized
    7. has a good device both internally and by design
    8. just integrated applepay
    9. unlimited accessories
    if jolla and sailfish want to catch up on ios have to.
    1. improve sailfish errors and optimize it so it does not need much hardware.
    2. have full integration with multiple devices (smartphones, pc, tables, phablets, cars, SmartTV, and smart watches)
    3. Have a voice assistant is required
    4. start creating accessories
    5. create a Smartphone that stands out for its operating system and its design (people he convinces eyes, honestly the first jolla hasnt a great design needs to work on that)
    6. have to work on many native applications.
    7. contracts have to do to reach your product worldwide
    8. Get updates often
    however see what it has android.
    1. Assistant google now
    2. countless applications
    3. Many companies rely on.
    4. begins to integrate most of devices
    5. has the almost total market share
    6. You can change the default apps
    7. google drive and many google services
    8. platform
    9. multi users
    10. versatility
    11. supports 64-bit processors
    12. nfc
    13. Support to unlock the phone with fingerprint and iris of the eye.
    I personally like it more meego android so sailfish can be certainly better than android. must improve:
    1. integrate multi-user for example if a pc running with sailfish and use more than one person.
    2. A voice assistant.
    3. to change the default apps to use the app so that best fits our needs.
    4. jolla should start creating services as does google and microsoft. example jolla cloud, jolla music, pay jolla.
    5. improve the system design as well as icons.
    6. must support 64-bit processors.
    7. Added support for OpenGL and unity to create games console level.
    8. improve support for nfc.
    see the advantages of Windows 10 for phones on Sailfish, or some better than sailfish should take into account.
    1. is a very secure system.
    2. not need much hardware.
    3.es a fluid system without lags.
    4. adapts to the device where you are running.
    5. shows the newly installed applications on top of the menu.
    6. podres interactive Notifications answer from them.
    7. universal applications.
    8. cortana
    9. includes streaming between xbox one and Smartphone or tablet
    10. services as one drive.
    11. boasts a prestigious brand NOKIA
    12. your Smartphone are really cute
    13. contract with CARL ZEISS.
    14. have support for wireless charging
    see that things can take to improve Sailfish.
    1. adaptability the device where the system is run, (for my sailfish must run on all kinds of devices from PC to smart watches)
    2. should include whether if a voice assistant.
    Interactive 3.notificaciones
    4. Do more with developers conference
    5. include streamin for consoles and tablets
    6.deben to make better design for your devices
    7. should include wireless charging
    8. Jolla Sailfish should make quite an experience, as does ios
    9. must include a fingerprint identifier
    I seriously than Sailfish can operate at several points even exceed their rivals, I think jolla will have a similar success to Apple with its own operating system and great devices but if we want to happen we need feedback to jolla to improve every day. something we should put more effort is in the design of their devices.
    I hope 2016 buy a product worthy cases, with a superb user experience and services jolla. I would like to jolla out as apple, that your operating system is only processed jolla high and mid-range products.
    Success Jolla.
    Do not forget your followers in latin america 😀

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  83. Gurjeet Singh
    2 years ago

    awesome article… i completely agree with whats written in this article. I’m still confused between windows phone 8.1 and sailfish os, i get even more confused when i consider windows 10 for mobile update is upcoming….
    which one to choose? sailfish or windows phone 8.1/10??
    windows phone has office inbuilt, onedrive (which i use a lot), customisable by adding background picture to 3 row live tiles making it more interactive and stable with minor lags (ignorable)

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    • Istvan
      2 years ago

      if you actually want to USE your phone and be productive, go for WP8.1.
      Two years after launch, my Jolla is neraly a toy for tweaking and playing around, but if you want something actually working and done, go for something else.

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  84. leanton31
    2 years ago

    “Sailfish multitasking cards are live and being updated every time and they change their appearance time-wise. Can you fiddle with your live tiles on WP?” The answers is “yes you can.”

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    • Sepehr James Noori
      Sepehr James Noori
      2 years ago

      uh, no. I own a Lumia 930 and the tiles are live but not intractable.

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  85. Feuermurmel
    2 years ago

    Hi! I would like to add some comments about the comments about your comparison with iOS. I own both a Jolla and an iPhone and I’ve come to the conclusion that the way multitasking is implemented in Sailfish is lacking some important features:

    – On iOS, apps stay open, even when memory is low or the device is rebooted. On Sailfish, they just vanish. I find this confusing.
    – On Sailfish, IMHO, the user should at least be given the option to prevent certain apps from getting CPU time in the background. Only after a day of rapid battery drainage did I notice that some tab in the browser was constantly using 30% CPU.
    – Applications that are aware of what other applications are doing. E.g. when I’m listening to music on iOS and then that start a video in the browser, the music will automatically stop playing.

    These are just a few examples. But in general I think that Sailfish has a lot of UI features that iOS could benefit from copying (like replacing those threaded wheel for picking dates and times in calendar with the UI Sailfish uses).

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  86. anonymous
    2 years ago

    sir,
    how can I rely on this post.
    first thing, this is posted in a website named jollausers.org. As a person who knows ‘ most’ ( not all) of the marketing techniques , how can u say that this is not one of them.
    second, you have not considered all aspects that analyses the real potential of an os
    and for the last, sailfish’s android compatibility. it has been recorded that sailfish os has continues crashing of some ( not all) android apps.( google it for proof)
    and jolla has many more cons than pros
    but I still believe sailfish os will go on top of all other os s soon because it is still running a beta version.
    I waiting for a reply. because I want to make it more clear
    ,a lover of jolla

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  87. anonymous
    2 years ago

    whaaaaat

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  88. contractphonesforbadcredit.Wordpress.com
    2 years ago

    Close those accounts and don’t join any extra cards until your
    credit is once more good.

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  89. Jonny
    2 years ago

    Exactly what i have experienced. I can second almost any statement in this article. When it comes to using your smartphone with both hands, Sailfish literally blasts away the competition. Also even on half as good hardware as current Android devices Sailfish runs a whole lot smoother than Android. BB OS 10 is a nice OS and very sleek and smooth but the gestures are a complete nuisance as they’re not very consistently used among the applications. Long before my Android phone broke for good i heard of Jolla and found it to be a quite interesting concept. I could finally get to play with a friends Jolla and i was completely blown away by how fast i got used to the gestures. That was half a year ago. After my Android phone broke i looked for a decent phone that has everything i need and found very much to my surprise that Jolla was the cheapest one that fit the bill. I am now on SFOS 2.0 preview and wow! It’s the best experience of a mobile OS i had in about five years.

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  90. WEI FENG
    1 year ago

    slow marketing jolla which haven’t expand the market to south east asia

    no matter how good the jolla is , no phone , everything is pointless

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  91. Doni
    1 year ago

    I really want to learn qt as i know c++. But sailfish users don’t make me sure that develop an app on it is worth my time.

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  92. Narendra Rathod
    1 year ago

    Shareit app not available on jollla store and Android shareit app not work on intex aqua fish i request you make shareit app on jolla store quick action users un happy

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  93. Rj
    8 months ago

    Shareit app not available on jollla store and Android shareit app not work on intex aqua fish i request you make shareit app on jolla store quick action users un happy

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Maemo/MeeGo/Mer/Harmattan/Sailfish & Jolla enthusiast who is keen to share knowledge with friends.
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